Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Follow up to Circle Six

http://www.fencing.net/forums/blogs/allen-evans/7740-limiting-ballistic-throw.html

See what you think Thomas.


In reading this, it seems that many factors go in to what type of action to use.

Three of which are: Distance; speed and trajectory.
Oddly enough, that DOES sound like rocket science.

Enough on this topic, I have over thought it.

2 comments:

Thomas William Jensen said...

Jim, thanks so much for the pointer. (I also appreciated Cobalt=Toomey’s earlier comments.) To my surprise, several of the issues were pertinent to my Monday and Tuesday classes even though we were specifically working on a four parry. I think your rocket science metaphor has a lot to recommend it, by the way. For example, it’s useful to recall that after the “boost” phase the vehicle is controlled entirely by aerodynamics alone and course changes can be significantly limited.
When we began to review a simple parry 4 – riposte in my class yesterday, I brought up the point of linking the two actions just as Allen Evans suggests for the circle 6 riposte in the fencing.net discussion. In contrast, my coach strongly encouraged me to think of it as a two tempo action. As the lesson progressed it became very clear why that’s exactly the right thing for me at this stage. I began class thinking I had a pretty good 4 parry but discovered I have several nits that needed to be addressed (insufficient wrist rotation, dropping the wrist and over covering.)
I mention that in this context because there is a real danger, given my relatively early stage of development, that coupling the parry with the riposte could delay developing proper form for my parry. That aside, Harmenberg, in Epee 2.0, suggests that his primary strategy was a 6 parry coupled with a riposte in a single action and that it very successful for him. It seems to me that one useful way to think about it is that it’s a trade-off: by coupling the two you may gain speed but you also lose a decision point to address the variations that Darius mentions. Given circumstance and the particular opponent it may or may not be a viable tactic.
Again, thanks for the very useful discussion on your site and the pointer to the fencing.net discussion.

Rocco said...

Personally I like taking a Four with a step in and yield. Bread and butter move pretty much and that close you HAVE to over parry (come further across the body) so as to eliminate angles from those sneakier opponents. Trick is to know how much is too much but some is definately not a bad thing! Again most of the time everything is a variable you need to consider when trying to figure out if the error is technique or distance based, then thats half the battle! The other half is the hardest part which is getting control of your body in the moment, which is the hardest part of fencing in my opinion.